I was thinking, maybe this isn't the right name for this topic but anyways..... After the events of Mother, were there two different storylines for M2/EB? For example, one where Buzz Buzz came to Ness and basically what we all know happened in EB ... AND the other one being where Buzz Buzz didn't come to visit thus Gigyas never had Porky to assist him and Gigyas ultimatley suceeds?

And if there were these different parallel universes, then after EB/M2 there was Mother 3 (or was there M3? We will never know for sure). But would Mother 3 have even happened if Gigyas would've succeeded? I tend to think it wouldn't, because Gigyas would have never destroyed the world right? The EB world would have just been slave to him and his evil. Even if you think that Mother 3 would've happened if Gigyas had won, we must remember that Porky is the reason for all the evil and corruptness in Mother 3 anyways, and Porky really wouldn't even have been able to time travel, at least not in any human form that is, mainly because of what Dr. Andonuts had said about how traveling through time will kill any life forms.

And how do we know that Mother 3 didn't happen before Mother 1 or Mother 2 (assuming what happened in the acutal EB/M2 game is what really happened)

Thoughts?

I've got thoughts. but they involve time compression. and that's an idea stolen from the fantastic game called final fantasy 8. if you don't mind my thoughts being.... Borrowed ... from another games storyline. then I'll tell you more. (if I remember them)

Please explain some more. I would love to hear what you have to say about it.

I'm all ears.

Kyoo!!!! Where are you?

I wanna an explanation

sorry I've been a bit, unexpectedly busy as of lately, I'll get on this when I have time. I made myself have time for June 5th, so I'll probably get around to it by then, if I don't clear up some free time by then. and people. I'm not the only one that can write on this subject. anyone can chip in

EDIT: ending note for this message for right now, it wasn't porky that Did all the horrible things in mother 3, it was porky after being manipulated by giygas, in a way that made porky become a god, (in a way porky and giygas became one, that's how I see it, that's the price porky payed for being so close to giygas)

I've only actually finished EB once (although I'm playing through it again right now). The time travel issue confused me a lot; when they got into the Phase Distorter moving through time, logic failed me. I do know of a video that might help with your question, though. It's entirely Zelda related, but it brings some light to the whole split-timeline idea. Be warned, it has Zelda spoilers and speculations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2g65jL3HDg

(for time-strapped viewers, look at 1:19 ish and 7:47)

Now, working with that logic for Earthbound: Everything (referring to Earthbound, and to the best of my knowledge, Mother 3) happens in the Ness Succeeds timeline. In the Ness Fails timeline (the one Buzz Buzz comes from), nothing further happens in the story, so it might as well not exist. So, yeah, Mother 3 does not exist in the Ness Fails timeline, just like the events of one Zelda game don't happen on the other side of the timeline in the Zelda video.

I think this logic holds for the part with Buzz Buzz; I have no idea on how the Phase Distorter fits in with any of this. The best I've got is that the Phase Distorter Realm (or whatever its real name is) works on a different timeline than Eagleland, so when they defeat Giygas in the Past, they defeat him in the past of the Phase Distorter Realm, but not on Earth. Which makes sense, because otherwise EB0 would cease to exist. (I'm assuming that EB and EB0 are two different stories in two different times. I also like the idea that Ness is Ninten's son. )

So, in conclusion, Yes, there were two different timelines. And Mother 3 would NOT happen in the Ness Fails timeline, because all of that happy music and peaceful towns and stuff I see in ads for the game would probably not happen under Giygas's regime.

Now for my opinions about Porky's time travel: Yes, he can time travel, otherwise he couldn't have been there at the end of EB. I have two ideas for how he managed this (but I haven't played Mother 3 yet, so I could be totally wrong):
First, the Spider-mech suit allows him to time travel.
Second ,and I would need Dr. Andonuts's exact words to support this, humans CAN travel through time, but it damages them, so Dr. Andonuts tried to spare the Chosen Four by doing the robot thing. Therefore, Porky suffered some damage by traveling through time, which would explain his blue face in the ending battle and other stuff like that.

As for the Mother 3 happening before Mother 1 and 2, I can't answer that, since I haven't played the game. My guess is no.


Phew, that was a mouthful. I hope the post wasn't too long, and that it made sense, and that it helped.

Porky time traveled several hundreds of times, never leaving his human form. When you *spoiler* fight Porky at the end of M3, he explains that he time traveled so much that he didn't age properly. I don't think Dr. Andonuts really said time traveling will kill any life form. I think he just said the Phase Distorter couldn't transfer humans.


Now, to address the main topic, I do believe that MOTHER3 was after EB in the time specturm. Allow me to explain:
If Giygas had succeeded, then Porky never would have fled through time. He would have stayed and ruled the Earth with Giygas, or Giygas would have become so evil that he would have killed Porky himself. Either way, that would make the events of M3 not happen, regardless of where it is in time.

But since Giygas was defeated by Ness and friends, Porky did indeed flee. He fled to the future because he planned to live forever. If he had gone to the past and taken over the world, there are countless things he could have done that would have ultimately prevented himself from ever being born. Determined to live forever, Porky wouldn't have taken that risk.

I went and looked up Dr. Andonuts's exact quote.
"In order to defeat Giygas, who is attacking from the past, you must warp to the past. This can be done by the Phase distorter 3. However, the machine cannot warp living things or life forms. Life is demolished in the process of warping. The only way to accomplish this is to transfer your brain "program" into a robot. This means that the spirit moves through time while the body is left behind..."

http://www.youtube.com/user/chuggaaconr ... P2QMITpJDQ
(around 6:44 ish)

That makes a HUGE inconsistency when Porky shows up in the ending battle in human form. Either he did this with the power of Giygas, or Dr. Andonuts was wrong, or the spider-mech serves as the "robot". Since we never see the Spider-mech before the ending boss, I like the spider-mech option. But that's just me.

You know, that quote would explain why Giygas looks the way he does, how a cat-like creature can transform into a red void of death. Maybe that's what Dr. Andonuts means by "demolished".

keep in mind I haven't slept in 3 days so please bear with stuff that doesn't make sense. this thread has been on the back of my mind but i have a bad virus on my computer and it's been taking up my time and I'll save my speach for time compression for later.

well it's time travel. and you still see Doctor andonuts in Mother 3. although that's supposed to be done to what I believe.. in the distant future.. now, Buzzbuzz is a living life form and he traveled back in time through a meteor. it's not hard for me to believe that in 10 years into the future, doctor Andonuts, apple kid, and Mr. Saturn could have made a phase dissorder in that ammount of time that could transfer living things into the past. maybe Giygas used this machine to go into past, with hopes of defeating those who betrayed them. causing all that happened in mother 1 not to happen. with the differences in the past. the few changes that he made, made it so we developed with Alien technology. making it so video game development happened a lot quicker. and now Ninten was not born in the time of the NES. but the time of the SNES. making it so his name was a mix up of SNES and he was named NESS instead of Ninten.

giygas learned his lesson and stopped himself from directed interfering and instead, maybe choose a more subtle approach. with manipulating humanity, and taking over humanity with manipulation.

much like how Porky took over with manipulation on mother 3. with Giygas Rule, silent rule. he needed somebody as a pupet, to be an Icon. this icon being another man. this man Being Porky. I believe the world buzz buzz existed in 10 years in the future, might have been similar to mother 3. but thanks to Ness's Medling, everything got pushed way back. till the date of humanity's near expulsion.

but I believe the world ruled by giygas. was a world where nobody knew who giygas was or even what he looked like. but I believe those 10 years in the future, they'd all know and fear Porky, but Porky as a man. and this be why buzz buzz didn't recognize porky. because the Porky buzz buzz knew and feared, was a full grown man in his 20's. myself knowing the life span of most bugs that can fly. know that buzz buzz would only know him as a man.

Porky was to Giygas, as the Pope is to God. so People didn't call Porky, by his name. they called him Giygas. because Giygas Spoke and worked through Porky.

but then something happened when Ness went back in time and defeated Giygas, they locked manipulated Mature Porky in time, much like on chrono cross when surge didn't die he froze the reality of the future and made an alternate one, making it so Lavos was never destroyed. because real time was frozen. well so was it for Porky. making it so he'd never grow old. because adult him is manipulated by giygas. and since giygas was defeated, porkies adult form was also defeated. making Porky a forever young child. so even years into the future, Porky was a blue skinned little boy.

but I'm getting so off topic. I believe the future with Giygas in control. was Giygas owning the world in a silent manipulation, through porky.

I believe Giygas, hated the love he was given so much he locked himself into machine, and made it so he was completely and forever isolated. and young porky still forever manipulated by giygas, does the same ritual, several years later. as they both want to manipulate and control everything. but they desire themselves to be untouched, and unaltered..

giygas, he was untouched and unaltered. he his tail was always wagging until he heard her song about love. it altered him. it changed him. it warped him. it made him feel pain and torment. a life without love is a life without any pain. but the one thing giygas realized. is that he was altered. he was changed. and it was through the power of manipulation. that with love, you can manipulate and change anything. and make it into anything you desire it to be...

so the world I see, 10 years into the future. the world buzz buzz came from. take nowhere Island. and make the the entire world, and not just one little island. that's the world I imagine was 10 years into the future. the world buzz buzz came from.

again, it's been 3 days with no sleep. so I'm sorry if that all is incoherent. also I'm sorry if it's loaded with typo's.