for those who have not played Mother. earthbound zero. to completion DO NOT READ THIS, IT IS A GIANT SPOILER!!!!!!!!

maybe it's one of those things that Itoi left for the fans to dream over and ponder. (for us to fill in the blanks as we desire)
I think I got ahead of myself.
my question deals with Giegue, and what he says during the final battle.

Ninten!
I am grateful to
your family.
Your Great-
Grandparents,
George and Maria
raised me.
But, George stole
vital information
from our planet
that can be used
to betray my
people...
And now, one of his
descendants
is obstructing
our plans,
and must be
stopped!!
Ninten!
I am talking about
you!

what exactly is he talking about? I used to think he was talking about PK powers. but then I realized it wasn't just Ninten with psychic powers. it was Ana and the Garrickson baby in youngtown, also has psychic powers. so if not psychic powers, I wonder what exactly what it is? it's been a while since I played the game.

then I think of the robot eve. I feel, there is no way he made eve based off the technology of the early 1900's. eve was capable of fighting off the seemingly indestructible R7308XX. so I believe he's talking about eve (or the design plans for eve). I'd just like to know what you think (or know) about this part of the game. because it's always been a question of mine that I tried to answer. my theory is eve. I think George realized a potential threat, and stole the robot eve (or her plans) in order to protect his family (in case an invasion happened)

and then there is the following

"Go home now!
Perish with the
rest of the ugly
Earth People.
Foolish one, you
cannot do a thing
with your meager
powers...
Powers worthy of
a lowly insect.
Ninten!
You alone,
I may save you.
Just you alone.
Board our
Mother Ship with me."

why is Ninten so important? this, I feel takes away my theory of Eve. why Ninten? why must the other humans die. but he's willing to save Ninten. is saving Ninten his way of saying thank you to George and Maria for raising him? is it out of respect that he is willing to save Ninten?


this has been on my mind ever since I first beat mother and that was about 2 month after the prototype was dumped and fixed to work for the nesticle. so yeah. this has been a question in my mind for a few years now.

I'd love to hear any theories or answers you have.

I'd love to get a direct translation from the MOTHER version. There're many lines in EB0 that are... odd.

yeah, I too was wondering how.... correctly this part was translated. but as of now. all I can work off of, is the current English translation.

maybe deep down, Giegue wanted to show some kind of appreciation to Maria and George for raising him. but since both of them are dead, offering Ninten to come with him is the only real way he believes he can show his gratitude to them. i'm not sure if it was an offer or a threat but it can be seen as both. Ana and the Garrickson baby had PSI powers too, but they're not from Maria and George's lineage so they are irrelevant to Giegue. only Ninten is worth saving. but at the same time, Giegue doesn't need Ninten. if Ninten declined, Giegue would not have begged him to change his mind.

Ninten is the only family he has left. Even if it is by about three generations, they are still family. Gigue wants to honor that, and gives him a chance.

I think the thing that George stole was psi. Perhaps he unlocked some potential in humans. He could have used something "stolen" in order to do it. In fact, this is probably why Gigue's race wanted to conquer earth to begin with: create a subserviant race capable of mid-level psi. It would probably be a good way to replace the starmen, or any other robot. What kind of resources are needed to create a robot able to use PSI attacks? Whereas all you need with a human... well, we all know the stork don't bring 'em.

Ninten is his only remaining family? wow, you're so correct, and I never thought of it that way. but we always do make exceptions for family. I never really thought of it that way. but I think you're correct. it's not just a thing about respect or George and Maria, but a thing about respect for a family member.

but yeah Jeffy05 I don't see him begging him to change his mind. but maybe he gave him the chance, because he was the only remaining family.

and as far as the thing he stole being PSI powers I'm now 50/50 on that or the plans for eve. because, the way you put it hex (about how and why they wanted to conquer earth) made the PSI theory seem more believable. but still even so, if the powers the humans have are substandard, in way that they can still control the humans. then why is it a threat to his kind? and as I think of this. I can't help but think of the mother 3 clayman. now I know they aren't related. but they all came from the same source, that being Shigesato Itoi's mind.

so maybe. the humans were meant to be used as the claymen were used? that would make sense to why he was only kidnapping the adults.

I'll think more about this before I write more about this.

well Ninten isn't the only 'family' Guiegue has left. there is still Ninten's mother, who could be of the same lineage, and Ninten's sisters. but i don't think it's on Ninten's
mom's side that are descendants from Maria and George. why didn't his sisters inherit PSI also? i have a strong feeling about this. i think it's on Ninten's father side that is from Guiegue's lineage. but Ninten's dad is missing. so Ninten is the only one left around for Giegue to remotely call family. i think that is the reason why Guiegue made this super ultra special exception to offer to join him. could it be because Ninten has PSI? could be. but only family AND he has PSI?!!
if Ninten was ever an enemy to Guiegue, and i'm pretty sure he was (he only tried to stop Ninten the entire game from learning the 8 melodies) then Guigue is smart to try to make his enemy his ally rather than let him go to waste that enormous potential for being just a kid. maybe he planned on Ninten to be his successor in the future or be like his apprentice. just imagine how much more powerful Ninten's PSI can be. it's scary. what if Guiegue corrupted Ninten's mind at such a young age with that power. even SCARIER.

that would be scary. I mean. we saw what happened when Porky got manipulated by him. and then what happened when Porky manipulated one with PSI. if it was Gyiyg who manipulated claus instead of porky. that would have been really scary. but... I don't know I don't think George stole psi. I really think he stole eve or at least the plans for eve. I mean. I don't see any human building anything sophisticated enough to destroy the R7308XX, heck I don't think that anything we currently have on this planet could destroy the R7308XX. sure we could destroy the R7308. but the R7308XX is nearly invincible. and Eve could only destroy the R7308XX by getting destroyed herself.

also, the only time Giegue didn't wag his tail. was when he heard that song. i think the song always made him sad. it reminded him of how lonely he was.

but yes. what if he was only telling Ninten to join him, so he wouldn't have to fight his enemy. and he's have a very strong enemy become his right hand man. I mean. I think about the time this game was made. and then I think about all the late 70's and 80's anime, there is almost always a part where the bad-guy ask the good guy to join him. hell even in American starwars Darth Vader asked Luke to join him.. and at the end of dragon warrior the last bad guy ask you to join him. and if you say yes. the game just freezes as the world gets taken over by evil.


so it doesn't shock me this was a common concept. the bad boss man asking the good boss man to join him

Think about it this way, though:

Your George. Your fighting an enemy with both highly evolved tech and psychic abilities. Wouldn't you try to steal both... ?

And, as far as humans being "no threat" to Giyig, why were they able to defeat him, then? Sure, it was a weakness that was put there since he was a child, and yes, the circumstances were so properly aligned towards it, but that doesn't matter. The point is that there was a weakness, and humans were inteligent enough to exploit it, and exploit it bad...

Maybe the "threat" was are ability to think outside the box like that? Seriously, defeating a super-powerful space monster just by singing? Who would think up that but Maria and Ninten...

Just think of what humans really do when they want to ultimatly destroy an enemy that is waaaay bigger than them: they gather intel, and use it to their advantage.

Giyig's race may have seen this potential, and wanted to stunt it, thus granting them safety, and perhaps control...

i think kyoo was talking about the average human not being a threat to Guiegue. Ninten, Ana, and Loid aren't the average human, especially the first two. plus Maria and they were fortunate enough to know about the 8 melodies, the only thing that turned Guigue away. not even Ninten and Ana's PSI is what finally turned him away, it was the 8 melodies. but i can see how Guiegue probably underestimated the human's potential and his own flaws.