That was the point =P a lot of the earthbound community consists of 12-14 year olds so the elder gods have to make sure no one is saying words that would offend Jesus and send the children down the wrong path in life.

there was nothing wrong with the post. in fact I spent 6 hours making sure everything I said was flawless and accurate. 6 hours. and it was just DELETED! it was probabaly the most detailed accurate and most correct list of things wrong with starmen.net and I even thought of.... but the reason I left was not that my 6 hour long 100% acccurate message was deleted. no, it was because of favoritism.

a good mod is not PP. he is a bad mod. good mods are able to keep their relations with other peoples on other websites private and not allow it to effect how they mod or act round the members of their comunity. I left becuase the mods here aren't loyal to the subcribers of their own comunity, they don't protect the people they are meant to protect. instead they protect people from another community that isn't this community. as I told PP, he should resign.

I know as a mod. and yes I'm a mod, if people went to forums I moderate, and talked bad about people on this website. yes, I'd be offended. but as a "good mod" I wouldn't delete their messages, nor would I edit them. they are not on this website, and they have their own right to speak their opinion, although it's an opinion I wouldn't like. although the HUMAN in me would just want to delete the message and pretend it never existed. as a good mod. as a good protector , I'd have to LEAVE their message as much as it would pain me to see them insulting you all. I'd leave it although it would torture me to leave it. I'd leave it because my duty on that website isn't to protect or stand up for you people. it's to stand up and protect them.

I will not reply to any message written to PP till he not only apologies to me. but this entire forums. and proves it by resigning. and no longer being a mod to these forums. he's proven he can not do a good job. that he can't stay loyal to the subscribers of this web forum.

yes this website USED to just be a part of starmen.net. but it separated. and with it's separation. there grew new loyalties. and PP didn't abide to them. he threw us under the bus for his old friends. I've lost my respect for you PP, so don't bother writing me a message. not even to say you're sorry. now I don't see you quitting be a mod, not just so I'd talk to you again. after all I'm just one human. I won't insult you. I won't say nothing bad about you. but if you write a message. I'll either respond to the post above you that wasn't you.. or not respond at all. this is the only way I can exist on these forums with you as a mod. I could talk with you if you stopped being a mod. and I'd gain respect for you again. but as I said. I don't see you doing such a thing.

sorry I'm so emotional, sorry I'm so passionate. it's been like year. you can only imagine how mad I was when my message first got deleted. for me to still be this passionate. I'm sorry to everyone I offended by leaving. I just couldn't stand to be around PP. his biased unfair judgment call, of putting another community above us all....


again. I know if somebody went on the website I am a global mod/admin for, and insulted everyone here and they way we all behave I'd be angry and upset. but I'd have no right to edit or delete their messages. because I'd have to put that community above all you, and stand up for that community. now when I'm here. at this community. I stand up for and protect everyone here.

blah blah blah. I'm just repeating myself

again sorry for the passion and emotions.

For the love of God, shut the hell up.

I mean seriously, shut up. You two, Hiro and Kyoo, are doing nothing but whining and proving how damn immature you are. What's the point of posting about what's wrong with another website? Hiro, quit saying stupid inflammatory things like "PROTECT THE CHILDREN" and "offend Jesus." It's stupid and makes you look like an idiot. Kyoo, you just said that EBC isn't a part of Starmen.net. What good can come of you making a post about what's wrong with it? Nothing. Shut up.

Also I find it hilarious that you're still upset over a post I deleted that I don't even remember. It's not like I deleted an emotional post or something worthwhile. I deleted a rant from a whiny, butt-hurt person who can't get over the fact that Fangamer exists.

I go to both of these forums every single day, multiple times. I visit Starmen.net because it's been a part of my life for four years, I've made many friends there, and I can feel the love of the community. Fangamer is comprised of the nicest people you'll ever meet, making a living in the geek market and going further than almost any other community store. Starmen.net, as a whole, is expanding. We just hired new staffers and new moderators. Yeah the administration has been hard-handed in the past, but we've never gone out of our way to just ban somebody that we don't like. If you've been banned from the forums, you deserved it.

I check EarthBoundCentral's front page every day for new updates. I love to see what's going on in the community and around the world in the fanbase. It's fantastic to also have every MOTHER related auction visible to me. Mato worked hard on this site, and it shows.

But I come to these forums not out of enjoyment, but out of habit and obligation. Yeah, I used to enjoy the forums, now it's just a den for terrible posters, whiny babies who don't know what the hell they're talking about, and Counting to 10,000. I'm the only active moderator on here, for the most part. Mato and Poe do a great administrative job, LucasTizma seems to have disappeared from here (smart move), and if I left... well nothing would change. This place is dead, seriously. About ten active users kept active by a freaking counting game and a fan translation of half of a game. I used to hope this forum could be good again, but now I see that it's stupid for me to ever think that the users on this forum will ever grow up, move on, and stop sulking in a pool of emotions. To the three or four of you who are good posters (and you know who you are), thank you for not being terrible.

Also, Kyoo, as an aside.. I love how you use the word "protect" like I'm a damn police officer. I'm here to delete spambots and ban stupid people. If you believe mods "protect" people then the forum you moderate must be awful.

While I do not feel quite so strongly about it as you do, Pigmask, a lot of this is more or less the reason I stopped coming here. Mind you, I was never the most active member of this community, but I did lurk it more often than I care to admit. Yes, you have the random conversation starters here or there, a few posts in a game or two, etc, but it seemed for the most part, at least from what I've observed in the short bursts I would skim through, that the most active posts within this forum were the number counting game (seriously, am I the only one irked by that? It killed any and all conversation, and it's not as if the thread itself couldn't be used for conversation. We can count and talk about shit simultaneously, folks) and threads talking about how horrible Starmen.net is. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Starmen.net's forums, but that mostly stems from the fact that I don't like the seemingly vast community there (I feel that large communities are difficult to become a part of, and, as a result, prefer smaller, more tight-nit forums. Personal preference, etc). While I get that people may feel animosity towards being left out of a community they are fond of due to being banned, as well as the feeling of possible injustice towards you done upon those in authoritative positions among the community, it seems as though every single person who has been banned from Starmen has made their way here. And while, yeah, it's cool to vent and shit, I honestly do not give any fucks towards your problems with Starmen.net. None. None at all. I have no sympathy. Not because I know the inner workings of Starmen.net (I certainly don't; I barely visit the site anymore), not because I feel you were in the wrong and deserved your ban (again, not enough information to go off of in regards to the situation of your banning), but because I've heard the same story one-thousand times before. At this point, I have no emotions towards your problem because any caring I could have is long since dried up with the constant complaints. Now, mind you, it seem like things have improved here in the last month or so. I'm actually seeing conversations that aren't months apart that aren't counting and, from a quick skim, haven't seen any recent threads bitching about Starmen.net, but I still feel like there are issues with this community that will continue to cause stagnation within this place. Now then, do I completely agree with Pigmask Private's tone in his post? No, not entirely. I feel like he came off sort of like a dick, but I do not feel like his tone was completely unwarranted. While it sucks you guys had your posts baleted and were banned from Starmen.net and whatnot, I do legitimately feel it is time for everyone to move on. There's not much that can be said beyond, "Hey, I'm sorry. We cool, bro?" Asking beyond that not only seems somewhat demanding, but also comes off as entitled.

I don't know.
It's whatever.
Feel free to ignore this, if you like.

Well spoken Saldite, I agree with you on the counting game, I thought it was fun in the beginning but it's kinda repetitive for me. Personally I think other topics would get more attention if we stopped the counting one or at least put it to better use. I was never an active starmen.net member so I can't fairly judge the site, from what I've seen it isn't bad at all. For me coming here is a personal preference since the smaller member size has always appealed to me.

I'm sorry Pigmask but I don't really agree with you on what keeps this forum going. Yeah it's annoying hearing people complain about their starmen.net problems but the forum shouldn't just be a chore. I come hear because, well I this site. Maybe I'm optimistic, maybe I'm an idealist but I believe there is more to this site than users whining about their problems, a counting game, and a fan translation. If that's what kept this site alive I would've left a long time ago. I honestly like having you as a mod but this is just something I feel differently on. I'm sorry if you disagree with this I really am, but opinions aren't something I share often but I hope this comes across as more than just being whiny.

Believe me, I completely understand. A lot of people love this site and the forums, I'm not trying to get everybody behind my opinion. There are good posts and actual discussion, but for the most part it's hidden underneath all the whining.

I never understood why the counting forum couldn't just be a regular whatever chat. I mean, hell, the post count is right there. We'd know when we hit 10,000. Instead it dissolved into simply counting and Duster quoting what I hope are obscure bits of song lyrics and not just random words.

I agree with a lot of what you say Saldite, and although I know the message wasn't focused towards me.


but I know with how I treat the people in my community... well lets just say there are tons of members that would been banned from ... another website. and we took the time to talk with them. we treated them with up most repsect and heck one of those problem posters that used to stir up stuff. and and get in constant flame wars. I'm glad to say, is now not just a mod. but a global mod. and it's this type of caring. that I suggested starmen.net have in that message I wrote that got deleted. but I know from the forums I'm a mod at. that it works. if you spend hours, days and weeks communicating with the problem people. and show them you really do care about their views and opinions. they really do turn around... not saying all the members cared. some came just to troll for the sake of trolling. and ... that's why we have 3 members that are banned... but only 3. just because somebody writes something off key or slightly off topic. doesn't mean they should be ridiculed. and then when they stand up for themselves. as any human should and would. they get banned.

and the reason I left. is basically for the reason PP stated. he doesn't care about us. he doesn't. it's just an obligation. we are just an annoyance to him. that's why i suggested he resigned. it really made me sad that he pretty much just told us all that he doesn't care about us at all. I mean I care about everyone here. including PP. so his words did hurt me. I didn't expect him to lash out and say such hurtful things. maybe to me... but not to you guys.. I can handle him insulting me, but when he says those things towards you all too. it makes me mad at him.. I don't like being mad at people. especially people who I classify as a friend.

I learned a lot on the net, being a mod. the most important I thing I learned while being a mod. a great portion of any human who uses web forums. are people who want to voice their opinions. share their thoughts and ideas. and they want to share them. with hopes and desires that somebody else CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!

and what I mean by protect is. by letting them know you care about them. letting them know their words are valued. that their voice has meaning. so they don't feel sad, or left out.

I just knew you were Kyoo

yes you did, I was shocked you knew it was me too I wanted to see how long it would take people to notice. didn't expect such fast results.