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May 16th, 2011 | EarthBound

Deep in the bowels of the EarthBound ROM are lots of unused goodies. One is a sprite of Everdred as a ghost:

I’ve always been curious to know when or what it would’ve been used for. Any ideas / theories?

 

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70 Comments to Everdred’s Ghost Sprite


Christie said on May. 16, 2011

Maybe Everdred was supposed to be a temporary party member?

Tyler said on May. 16, 2011

Maybe he was supposed to die shortly after falling from the building?

ryan said on May. 16, 2011

He was probably supposed to die outside Jackie’s Cafe, and, for whatever reason, that was scratched. Or not.

Jorpho said on May. 16, 2011

Everdred shows up in Magicant, doesn’t he? Maybe he was supposed to appear as a ghost there after you talk to him, or something, before it was decided to leave his fate as something more ambiguous.

Either that, or it could have been used in the credits, along the same lines as the Flying Men transforming into gravestones.

no name given said on May. 16, 2011

Maybe he was suppose to appear in moonside?

Some Guy From Onett said on May. 16, 2011

There’s no doubt in my mind Ness’ dad was having an affair.

He was never home, and he kept giving his son money to keep his mouth shut.

pranavmeno said on May. 16, 2011

My guess is that he was supposed to die outside Jackie’s Cafe/Bar, but Nintendo’s ‘kid-friendly’ rules at the time didn’t allow people to be murdered on the street in SNES RPGs.

Zinco said on May. 16, 2011

Everdred was going to be a ghost for the entire game, but the fat cats at Nintendo determined it was too spooky.

H.S said on May. 16, 2011

One interesting thing to note is that Everdred’s ghost sprite only has a downward-facing frame, while the ghost sprites of the party members have frames for 4 directions.

What'sHerFace said on May. 16, 2011

Maybe when Paula Prays at the end, Everdred would have offered his thoughts from beyond the grave?

Mrstaplez said on May. 16, 2011

Maybe Everdread’s name was orginally supposed to be “Everdead” and he was supposed to haunt you in Threed.

Chasmang said on May. 16, 2011

I always assumed it had something to do with how he really does die in the game (it was always kinda’ vague in EarthBound), but seeing it again for the first time in years, I agree with the party member theory.

EarthBound015 said on May. 16, 2011

I’m pretty sure he was supposed to die in Fourside. The ghost sprite would have exited his body and flown upwards. But that didn’t happen because, 1.) it probably looked corny and 2.) It was cooler the way he hops up and just walks away like nothing ever happened 🙂

Rock said on May. 16, 2011

Maybe he wanted to go back to Twoson, but he died in Dusty Dunes Desert…. and you’re supposed to meet him as a ghost in the Talah Rama cave….

Pichu said on May. 16, 2011

Mato, I love you but this news is so old. However I’m happy there is a post, also i think it is for him being in your party temp. like king was.

Mato said on May. 16, 2011

My posts on EB Central aren’t meant to be “new”. They’re just random things I happen to feel like posting. In fact, I was probably one of the first ones to discover this sprite back in the day 😛

Randomguardian said on May. 16, 2011

Well I always assumed that originally everdread was supposed to turn into a ghost ant float of the top of the screen when he was done with his speech. Itoi then decided to make his story’s end open-ended like all the other times Itoi makes things open to the players interpretation. Just a casual theory that holds no water :p

GamingMario92 said on May. 16, 2011

My theory is that he dies.

Fortenium said on May. 16, 2011

The best logic one can put into this theory is given the fact only one sprite of this exists, it was probably meant for a scene.

V-King said on May. 16, 2011

My guess is that Everdread was to die in Foursideand then his ghost would “walk” away instead of his regular walking sprite.

TalonKhan said on May. 16, 2011

Heya mato what ya up to? :3
Well to all of the people who are talkin bout Nintendo not liking death and it not being child friendly i have just one word that will silence any of those comments…ehem…Giygas…Thank you very much >w>

Rock said on May. 16, 2011

@TalonKhan: The game was called MOTHER 2 Gyiyg Strikes Back. That means that “Gyiyg” has attacked before. We don’t want that to happen again. So he must be destroyed, since he has become the embodiment of evil. As Porky would say, “He is the evil power.”
But, Everdred, even though he is a dangerous guy, is not as dangerous as Giygas. You don’t NEED to destroy him.

Anonymous said on May. 16, 2011

he gets arrested for his illegal activities. gets prosecuted by Von Karma which leads to him being tied to a murder and he gets the chair

TalonKhan said on May. 16, 2011

@Rock Touche but im going with anonymous’s theory ALL FEAR VON KARMA! >:3

R7038XX said on May. 16, 2011

Is there any kind of hint in the file structure? Tiles called to memory by location, sprite names, that sort of thing.

Rock said on May. 16, 2011

@TalonKhan: ….. That makes too much sense. But I guess he became ….. A FETUS!!

Fooboo said on May. 17, 2011

I’m guessing it was for after he was attacked for the Mani Mani in Fourside.

Fooboo said on May. 17, 2011

Sorry quick edit to the above:
My guess is that after that attack you were going to talk to his ghost, who would tell you about the Mani Mani and Moonside, rather than him being alive and just injured.

Anonymous said on May. 17, 2011

HES GOD!

TalonKhan said on May. 17, 2011

Well just a note to anyone on starman and here I’m about to fully restart my computer and will be absent for a while you better not do anything awesome while I’m gone or I’ll get very cross. >w>

PK Mt. Fuji said on May. 17, 2011

It could’ve been his guardian angel as opposed to Everdread himself.

DJMankiwitz said on May. 17, 2011

This is interesting but I really can’t come up with any ideas others haven’t already said.

I will comment on one thing though. A few people have guessed it was Nintendo censorship. Well, unless Mato says otherwise, I think this sprite was unused in the Japanese version too.

The thing to keep in mind about Nintendo censorship is it was mainly a Nintendo of America thing. Remember that these censorship things were always a result of translation, and so that basically means it was originally released without censorship with Nintendo’s blessing. There are a number of Japanese games, some made by Nintendo, where people do get murdered. Heck, Link to the Past has your uncle die lying in a sewer, and that was released intact in the US.

starwars890 said on May. 17, 2011

This should explain some of these theories, courtesy me:

EVERDRED IN PARTY THEORY:
This theory is reasonable, for Everdred COULD have been planned to join Ness after beating him to rescue Paula, but since there’s only ONE sprite of him facing down. This could mean they actually planned for this, but scrapped it early and never finished the sprite.

DEATH IN FOURSIDE THEORY:
Another reasonable theory, for Everdred could have turned into a ghost and floated away after you talkt to him when he’s lying on the street in Fourside. But, just as above, they might actually have planned for this, but scrapped it early and never finished the sprite. Even Then, they would still need sideways sprites and an upwards sprite..

CREDITS THEORY:
This one is probably the most reasonable theory. It explains The lack of other sprites for him, and makes sense for him, after standing in the credits going POOF! and turning into the ghost. This would also be good for Nintendo’s standards..

Sound good? Correct me if I’m wrong..

Poe said on May. 17, 2011

Hmm. For the temp party member theory – are there ghost sprites for other temporary party members? Like Pokey or King or the Bubble Monkey? Because I don’t think there are….

starwars890 said on May. 17, 2011

No, but it MAY have been an early idea..

LakituAl said on May. 17, 2011

The temporary party member theory makes some sense, because Itoi kind of liked using that. The battle against Teddy in Mother, this would have been after the battle against Everdred and Mother 3 has that unused battle against Duster. “Defeat means friendship” much?

Yet, I think the credits one makes more sense, given they also loved to make that “Poof” thing, even in the Mother 3 credits, what with the old guy turning into a grave and Kumatora with her disguise…

Ice Sage said on May. 17, 2011

Just adding this little tidbit to the thread, but it’s quite clear that Everdred dies after he walks off – it’s not really meant to be too open-ended.

If you stay at the hotel in Fourside immediately after you find him (possibly even before entering Moonside) and ask the bellhop for the newspaper headlines the next morning, it says something along the lines of “Man Dies a Lonely Death in City Streets.” Unless it’s meant to be a reference to how the media exaggerates everything; that’d explain it too.

I’m leaning towards the credits theory more than anything else.

Javi said on May. 17, 2011

That’s not Everdread. That’s the original Giygas. YES, IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

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PK Rockin said on May. 17, 2011

I looks like Everdread was originally gonna join your party. Maybe he would have joined in Twoson when he gives you the Wad Of Bills.

EnnuiKing said on May. 17, 2011

Everdread? More like, EverDEAD

Rock said on May. 17, 2011

@LakituAl: Wait wait WAIT…. is there an unused battle against Duster in MOTHER 3?

Pichu said on May. 17, 2011

@ Mato
I understand there not ment to be new, I was surprised that I ran into something I’ve seen before, most of the time i see stuff thats completely new to me.I hope you don’t feel like I’ve insulted you or your site in any way, but if I have I’m sorry. You and your site are the best 😉

Rafael R120 said on May. 17, 2011

Maybe he was supposed to appear like this in the credits. I don’t think the party member theory is right, because then he was supposed to join your party to the end, and well, he wouldn’t fit in to the group very well 😐 .

Mato said on May. 17, 2011

Personally, I don’t see the party member thing as very likely, since all the other ghosts have sprites that face different directions – Everdred has only one. Even the teddy bears have more than Everdred’s ghost.

Gaffer Tape said on May. 17, 2011

I also have a hard time believing he was intended to be a “temporary” party member as others have suggested. Most of the other temporary members (like Porky, Picky, King, the Bubble Monkey, and Dungeon Man) are never targeted by enemies. The only ones that are (the Teddy Bears and the Flying Men) just up and die with no opportunity for revival and therefore no ghost.

LucasTizma said on May. 17, 2011

Curious. Either he was meant to be a temporary party member and they didn’t clean up all the sprites, or he was meant to appear facing forward “dead” in a scene? 😛

Let me just call up Itoi real quick and ask…

Sasquatch said on May. 17, 2011

I’ll bet originally Everdred died outside the cafe in Fourside. In the final version he gets up and walks away after alluding to his demise.

Anouki Agent Yellow said on May. 17, 2011

@Some Guy From Onett

Maybe Ninten’s and Ness’ father is the same guy, a super-rich business man that has a different family in every country. 😛

Randomguardian said on May. 17, 2011

I want to bring R7086XX post back to the board. Where did this sprite exist? If the rom holds it’s sprites in order then his location should give hints.
Also to lakituAI although the “defeat equals friendship” theme is strongly present in the MOTHER series dusters unused battle most likely not intended that way. The “three amigos” battle has desert music, desert background, and a punching attack strongly suggesting the Sanchez brothers were intended to be fought. Duster on the other hand has a profile that does not fit at all, similar to the non sensical “pump drago” battle. Thus it is most likely that dusters battle is the game pulling data out of it’s arse :p
Also while we are on subject, another reason for this incredibly long post is to ask Mato a question, because this seems like an appropriate time and place to post it. When you were translating MOTHER3 didn’t you say that all sprites had a battle data and name pre assigned to them? Say if you gave a sign a talking script its name in the top left would be “Sign”.I read it in one of your web sites I lost a long time ago. I believe it had a picture of a hacked enemy train on the overworld ready to be fought.
TL;DR I point to R7038’s post, dismiss a insignificant factoid to another, and asked Mato a question.

H.S said on May. 17, 2011

If you mean where was Everdred’s ghost sprite stored in the game’s data, then it’s located in between the microphone sprite and Everdred’s jumping sprite.

shibaru said on May. 18, 2011

Being possessed by Everdread 8B

Mato said on May. 18, 2011

Randomguardian: It’ll take more time than I have right now to fully explain, but basically all the outside sprites in the game have named attached to them. The game uses this list to get the name of the person you’re talking to, for instance. But the sprite names are likely used for debugging purposes too.

It just so happens that battles tend to pull from this same list. Except only a subset of the names applies to enemy names. If you break out of that subset by giving an invalid enemy ID, then one effect is that you get the other weird names that make no sense in a battle context.

The battle and enemy data/stats are stored in a completely separate table, so giving an invalid ID will also likely load data that isn’t related to battles at all, but is instead data used for completely different parts of the game.

To some extent, it appears some unused enemies within the proper battle ID subset have actual data that was used at one point. Most of the weird-named enemies just load junk data and junk names, and so have no significance at all.

PKSTARMAN said on May. 18, 2011

Sorry if I’m out of topic, but I have been wanting to play Mother 3, but I can’t find a fresh ROM. Every ROM I find has a size of 14.7 MB. Can someone post a link for a fresh 32 MB ROM please? Thank you for reading this.

LakituAl said on May. 18, 2011

@Rock

Well, it seems like Mato and Randomguardian have explained that Duster thingy. It’s just I saw that in a video, I should look for it. Just like they mentioned, there were many nonsensical battles like the Drago and enemies that dealt many status effects, so yeah, it might as well be just the Mother equivalent of an Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur. >w<

@Randomguardian

This may sound noobish, but… what is the R7086XX post? Now you got me interested.

And by the way, my name is AL, not AI! Why do people insist on spelling my username like that!?

RandomGuardian said on May. 18, 2011

@ LakituAL 🙂 It’s on this page, word for word.
“Is there any kind of hint in the file structure? Tiles called to memory by location, sprite names, that sort of thing.”
H.S responded
“If you mean where was Everdred’s ghost sprite stored in the game’s data, then it’s located in between the microphone sprite and Everdred’s jumping sprite.”
P.S. on my computer I and l are almost the same. sorry!

BigDream64 said on May. 18, 2011

Maybe Ness was supposed to meet him in Magicant, but i guess nintendo decided to change that.

EmeraldWind said on May. 18, 2011

I think the idea about his ghost appearing in Fourside is probably the correct one. BUT I think him getting up and walking away wasn’t Nintendo deciding it was too much… it kind of fits Earthbound’s style of being goofy better to have him get up and walk away. So I like thinking someone thought the ghost appearing was too cliche and did something quirky instead.

Anonymous said on May. 20, 2011

Von Karma killed him in the Twoson Dept Store elevator after everdread bought the last teddy bear which Von Karma was gonna buy for Franziska

SamWibatt said on May. 21, 2011

@PKSTARMAN – no, this isn’t the place to be asking for links to ROMs.

But here’s a hint: investigate what it means for a file to have a name ending in “.zip”.

FuzzyPicklez said on May. 21, 2011

Was it hidden anywhere like the missing man in Threed?

Anonymous said on May. 22, 2011

maybe Everdred was killed in fourside by Monotoli

starwars890 said on May. 24, 2011

Clearing up, courtesy me:

UNUSED DUSTER THEORY:

YES, this is an unused enemy but:

1. Supposedly, in the coding of MOTHER 3, out-of-battle sprites are linked to enemy names.. This could mean that the unused enemy is using Duster’s sprite as a name.
2.Most of those unused enemies are just set aside garbage data within the MOTHER 3 ROM, using random sprite names as enemy names..
3. Perhaps, instead of Duster (the character) they meant a feather duster? Who knows?

Anonymous said on May. 26, 2011

I think the only reason why japan has a unused sprite is because Everdred was soposed to be a terpory charchter since he was nearly killed in fourside kind of like in the first MOTHER game. Maybe it’s a remider of Teddy or something

Anonymous said on May. 27, 2011

Maybe it was supposed to be in the credits.

Anonymous said on Jun. 1, 2011

I agree..

gg said on Jun. 18, 2011

Cool!!!

Nutsjesmoar said on Sep. 5, 2011

He later appears to his disciples in Burglin Park and instructs them to write down his teachings and found a new religion in his name.
His iconic long-haired, bearded look and miraculous ability to create giant wads of cash out of thin air cement his place among the deities of lore.

Anonymous said on Sep. 5, 2011

I’m guessing he appeared in the ending, personally. He has only one sprite, so he couldn’t be an NPC you just talk to – I might think he’d be in Magicant otherwise. If he just appeared in the ending, they could just use that one sprite and not need him to do anything.

Earthbound912 said on Nov. 2, 2012

I was hacking Earthbound once and found this. It was weird


 
 

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