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March 1st, 2010 | Audio Stuff

Murcielo sent this in the other day, it’s a rant about Nintendo and EarthBound-related stuff.

I started my rant at 4:30am last night and it’s been talked about for so long, but I’m certain that I am not alone when it comes to this. It was about Nintendo’s short attention span. It might not be real news but I’d thought I’d share.

His rant is here, but it’s audio-only and extremely low volume so I made a louder MP3 version you can listen to here:

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What are your opinions on the subject? Do you agree with his points, or are rants like this of little use, especially now?

 

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59 Comments to To Nintendo, for the Mother-land


Ninji said on Mar. 1, 2010

I completely agree with you, Murcielo, I myself am starting to lose hope as well 🙁

SilverPaladin156 said on Mar. 1, 2010

Hmm… Why hasn’t NoA released EarthBound on the VC yet? I’m looking towards Japan mostly. Since Fils-Amie cannot respond to the call of the Mother/EB Fans, I’m guessing that Nintendo Co. Ltd. in Kyoto is having problems themselves. I wonder if there is going to be legal action in Japanese courts? If so, then the hope for both Mother 1 & 2 to be released on the VC is slim to none.

Oh well, I’ll continue to play the entire series til it does get a International release.

Andy said on Mar. 1, 2010

I lost all hope I am 11 and try as hard as can to tell my friends about earthbound and mother. I evean put all the earthbound games on my friends computer. Aslo do think nintedo checks this site?

neonix said on Mar. 1, 2010

I agree. Personally, I would just like some official word from Nintendo. Even if it were a no, it would be better than what we have now: confusion, assumptions, and rumors.

neonix said on Mar. 1, 2010

@Andy, I doubt Nintendo *checks* EBC. They may have come across it a time or two, but it is fairly young itself. However, there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind that they have encountered Starmen.net several times over the years.

PK Saturn said on Mar. 1, 2010

I agree mostly with Murcielo, in that Nintendo needs to just address the problem. But there is one major issue with releasing Mother 3 in the West.
M3 can’t just be translated. The GBA is dead, and in order to release it they would have to convert it to DS, which is no easy task. By the time they translated it and converted it to DS, the DS would be dead anyway, as it is at the end of its lifespan. Chances are, it would end up like the original Mother in the US, ready to be released, but with its console already dead.
There isn’t really any reason that Earthbound (with changes of course) couldn’t be released on the VC though.

Darien said on Mar. 1, 2010

I tend to be of the opinion that rants are never any use. There’s always value in rational arguments, but “rants” are, by definition, irrational emotional appeals.

SuperTrainStationH said on Mar. 1, 2010

Nintendo hasn’t said anything because they basically don’t want to burn any bridges or say “Never”, because as long as Nintendo is in business, their stance on re-releasing or releasing any three games of the series could change.

The pop culture references and non-infringing musical allusions aren’t enough to make the game legally risky, it’s the fact that a couple of the tracks like the Hotel theme are note-for-note direct ripoffs of commercially released music.

neonix said on Mar. 1, 2010

Darien is right, but to be fair, this isn’t entirely a rant. He was making legitimate points. My only comment is that the points are nothing new and are simply beating a dead horse.

After realizing that, it makes me wonder…

Is hope for EarthBound really a dead horse?

SmaMan said on Mar. 1, 2010

I guess all I can do is continue waging war on eBay to get a copy for myself. I think if Nintendo saw how much some of these puppies go for they’d at least flag this topic for discussion… like they did once in the PK Call’n days.

Poe said on Mar. 1, 2010

That PK Call’n thing still gets me whenever I think about it. To think if they had only kept calling after that one week, we’d probably have MOTHER 1+2 in America already, or at least have had a much better chance than we’ll ever have again. What a failure :[

Roo said on Mar. 1, 2010

I wish Nintendo would just come out and say if it was the musical infringement that was causing all the problems. Then at least we would all know for sure.

I think it’s more likely that Nintendo has just forgotten about the series and has bigger fish to fry in their opinion. I mean, if this was a million-seller Zelda game, do you think they’d let some music clips get in the way of them porting Mother 1+2 to the GBA? Or Mother 3 to the GBA? Or EarthBound to the VC? In their eyes it’s easier to just forget about fixing whatever needs to be fixed in this niche series and hope that the fans stop whining eventually.

How little they know us… 🙂

Murcielo said on Mar. 1, 2010

I completely agree with you Roo. Now I’m sure they have larger projects to oversee, like finding new games that mimic the outside world and creating new advancements in physics when you shatter your 64′ plasma screen TV with the Wii-mote.

The subject is, dare I say, growing tiresome to many of us whom treasure the game, yet we’re still trying. And I think that counts.

Hope is dwindling and yet, I’m gonna keep playing my cartridge until there’s no more battery-power left in it. I pray that never happens, lest it’d be absorbed by the darkness.

JoeShmoe said on Mar. 1, 2010

Hmm, Well, depending on how the “rant” goes about itself… for better or for worse… there CAN be change. Granted, such changes occur extremely rarely (especially in the gaming industry, and ESPECIALLY when it comes to Nintendo)… but hey. There’s always that slim possibility.
Take the racer Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing that came out recently. One character, NiGHTS, was originally not going to be included in the game at all. But when fans started sending in their complaints and support, the guys behind the game felt the need to put NiGHTS into the game as the flag waver. More recent reports now state that NiGHTS has the possibility of being a racer, if the game sells well.

Things like that… We need more of. Just goes to show us that sometimes people in big business CAN listen. That isn’t to say they always will… but, still.

blahmoomoo said on Mar. 1, 2010

I don’t think the DS is quite at the end of its lifespan yet, as they are releasing the DS XL soon (and they released the DSi to the US last year). If the DS was nearing the end of its lifespan, why would they release a new flavor of the DS? I can understand if it was some accessory like the N64DD, but this is a new modification of the DS.

I think the DS still has at least two years in its life, even though it is almost five years old now.

neonix said on Mar. 1, 2010

@blahmoomoo, Just to play devil’s advocate, the GBA micro was released even after the DS was already available and only 5 months before the DS lite was on he market.

But I do agree that the DS isn’t quite dead yet and definitely has a few more years ahead of it.

Hyperstar96 said on Mar. 1, 2010

I’m all for the Mother series being released in America, but that guy needs to GET OVER IT!!! He took it too far!

Roo said on Mar. 1, 2010

Murcielo: Don’t let a dead battery get in between you and your EB cart!

http://www.nintendorepairshop.com/shopexd.asp?id=496

Murcielo said on Mar. 1, 2010

Come on Roo, you’re ruining the moment! I’m joking, but when it does happen, I’ll look into that. Thanks. 😀

But um.., I may have took my rant too far but not enough people have admitted this nor said what I’ve said. Not all rants are irrational, nor should they be “gotten over.” If we all got over it, our combined greatness as a community would wither to nothing.

Roo said on Mar. 1, 2010

Oh, uh sorry there. How about…

“Roo prayed with all his heart for the safety of Murcielo’s EarthBound cartridge.”

SmaMan said on Mar. 1, 2010

“A dazzling light shone from above!”
“Save Battery’s HP is maxed out!”

@blahmoomoo
There have actually been a couple of prototype “DS2” devkits sent out to developers a while back… also playing devil’s advocate here:
http://ds.nintendolife.com/news/2010/02/ds2_rumour_is_rumour_no_more

ok said on Mar. 2, 2010

well people are saying that this DS2 will come with vitual handheld for gb/gbc/gba so theres a big chance mother 1+2 and mother 3.

MarioFan3 said on Mar. 2, 2010

@Everyone:
Uh-oh, ranting must be contagious, because I wrote the following in a space of 5 minutes O_o

What I want to know is, is why not even Mother2 was released in other countries like my own!
Where I live (Australia) it’s so multicultural that I doubt Mother2 would’ve been rejected for the SNES. If it passed in America back then, I’m pretty sure it would have passed here too!
Again, WHY??? 🙁 If I can’t even get Earthbound legitimately in my country, there is no way to legally do it, you are forcing people into piracy! The only way it could be purchased is through importing, and I believe that Nintendo have always been against importing. US NES games “aren’t compatible with your NES console” US SNES games “aren’t compatible with your SNES console” US Wii games “aren’t compatible with your Wii console” so, they can get stuffed!

I hate Nintendo in this regard, sure they have made brilliant creations, but they DO NOT listen to their customers. They just do what they want to do all the time for money. Nintendo fans said the 64 should use disks, they didn’t, instead they made it use cartridges and then went “ahh shoot, this is too expensive and too difficult to program for, lets make a DD quick!” and then……… oh? The 64 DD didn’t take off??? I really wonder why that is? It doesn’t help that it was Japan only, not really advertised, and maybe it was kinda a bit too late!

This example is relevant as Mother3 was meant for the DD, but why? If Nintendo had listened, the 64 would have used disks in the first place, there would have been more support for Mother3 (the DD market was VERY niche) and Nintendo would have helped release Mother3 for the 64. But noooooo, why would they want to listen to people for? It’s their fault Itoi lost motivation, and it’s their fault the series is neglected. It’s ALL their fault!

Money is all they care about, and if something requires effort, they won’t do it at all anymore! The 64 (alongside with the GBA), was the very last thing they did right, ever since then, they have been lazy! I only stick with Nintendo for their historical masterpieces, and that they can continue with them, that is all!
I feel so offended by the way Nintendo treats us, we get games canceled here, censoring worse than the US, delays, banned games……….

Blah blah blah, what a bore! Nana: I know what my problem is, I never shut up! 🙂

Dlakii said on Mar. 2, 2010

@MarioFan3
“They just do what they want to do all the time for money.”
“Money is all they care about”
That’s pretty much a given. It’s absurd to think they don’t care about profit. Companies exist to make profit. If they couldn’t make money off their products, would they continue selling them? No.

Don’t get me wrong – I love the MOTHER series, and I’d absolutely love to see actual Australian releases – but if Nintendo feels that they can’t profit off them (which I think is hardly true, but past experience with the series in the West shows them so), then they’re not going to risk commercial failure.

SmaMan said on Mar. 2, 2010

@MarioFan3
Don’t forget that the GB/GBC/GBA/DS were all region-free.

Now there were announcements about certain DSi exclusive games that would be region locked, so I guess they’re giving up on region-free portables as well. Darn 🙁

MarioFan3 said on Mar. 2, 2010

@Dlakii:
I know this, except it isn’t like it used to be. The NES, SNES and the N64 were all abused to their limits of power before moving on, they used to take risks like that. Nowadays they make Wii games solely for the profit. NSMBWii for example is less than 600MB, is this really the expectation of a Wii game? Twilight Princess runs on a GCN too. They don’t seem to really take advantage of the Wii’s power…

Grrr, this makes me angry heheh sorry about long posts 😉
(I seem to be making a lot of those lately)
Your points are all valid though, this is mostly opinions here, and I dislike having arguments with fellow Mother fans.
Don’t we all just wish we could get a Phase Distorter with Ninjas inside to convince Nintendo to do a few things? Because I sure do! 😀

Just In Me said on Mar. 2, 2010

Don’t say that you are giving up hope because that is what Nintendo wants you to do. This isn’t about who holds their breath the longest because the key of power clearly lies with Nintendo and it’s certainly not just regi that is ‘holding it back’. I’m starting to feel that there is something conspiracy related to this all….

resetsurvivor said on Mar. 2, 2010

The DS is far from death. It still has so much potential. If they were going to port anything (M1/M2/M3) it would be for the DS, but they won’t.

PK Saturn said on Mar. 2, 2010

If NOA intends to release M3, they are just biding their time for the next-gen handheld. I guarantee you that even now, Nintendo is working on the next-gen handheld. The DS has been out for more than 5 years now, and the DSi is just an attempt to milk it for all its worth before the next Nintendo handheld.

.GamerBluePK said on Mar. 2, 2010

Come on guys, what’s done is done, I totally agree, but ranting is useless.
Lets just enjoy what we have!
I’m honestly glad MOTHER3 never came to America, because we did it on our own, which is MUCH more honorable, and shows how much dedication the MOTHER fan base over seas is. Not to say that it wouldn’t have been nice for it to come over, either way, just enjoy what we have, love and a true fan base <3

neonix said on Mar. 2, 2010

@resetsurvivor, I’m not sure I agree with “If they were going to port anything (M1/M2/M3) it would be for the DS”

Making a port specifically for America seems ‘wrong’ for lack of a better word. If they ported any installment of the series to the DS, adjustments obviously would have to be made. Naturally, improvements will come along with those adjustments. The menus would end up more functional (touch screen), simple bugs would be fixed (M3’s deadly save frog and the missing line, for example).

It’s too soon for these games to be released again in Japan. And Nintendo, being a Japanese company, would not port/reprogram the games directly in English. I also doubt they’d give NoA the green flag to do it even if NoA was willing to port/compile them.

We can hope for a final MOTHER 1+2+3 compilation in maybe 10 years, but I don’t recommend anyone to hold their breath, especially for a localized release.

Ricardo said on Mar. 2, 2010

MarioFan 3: The Wii is an upgraded Game Cube. That’s why a Game Cube Emulator runs Wii Games, and why a real Wii runs Game Cube Games. Check this :
http://www.wiisworld.com/wii-specs.html
http://www.vgescape.com/features/54/gamecube-specs

Ricardo said on Mar. 2, 2010

GamerBluePK: What do you mean by “we did it on our own”
Tomato translated Mother 3!

SmaMan said on Mar. 3, 2010

@neonix
I don’t think he meant they would just make it for America. They’d make it with the intent of releasing it in Japan, and a US release would be a welcome but unlikely side effect.

neonix said on Mar. 3, 2010

@SmaMan, I know. That’s why I covered that in my second point. It’s too soon to re-release any of the Mother games in Japan. It’s only been a few years since M1+2 was released and they are even still making copies of it apparently.

So porting them to the DS is more than unlikely. A port to some future handheld stands a higher chance.

MarioFan3 said on Mar. 3, 2010

@Ricardo:
That’s also how things like Mupen64GC could be so easily ported onto the Wii.
This is sad, I always say that the Wii is just what the GameCube would have been if it weren’t rushed, those statistics show it too… if only the Wii were released back in 2001…..

Who’s all for a 3D remake of the Mother series for the Wii? That’s the only use I can find for the Wii, make them what EB64 was originally going to be! 🙂
Yeah, I know it won’t happen, it’s just: Potential! 😀
Nonetheless, at least the Mother series gets more love than Kid Icarus…maybe… 😉

SerialPsychosis said on Mar. 3, 2010

you know… the rants and calls and letters are essentially falling on deaf ears now…

but still, it warms the heart to hear someone speak like this about the game we all love.

Some guy said on Mar. 4, 2010

If Earthbound does get released, Nintendo will need to have made a crapton of money to keep the sue-happy companies at bay. Will Nintendo make the sacrifice of many games just for one? When that happens, everyone will see the ultimate downfall of Mario, Pokemon, etc. Think about it.

Joshua Johnson said on Mar. 4, 2010

I could understand the EarthBound on Virtual Console, but why not Mother 3 in america?

It kinda makes me mad that the more we keep asking about mother 3 in US, the more they ignore us….

MOTHERX said on Mar. 6, 2010

I wish EarthBound was on VC too. Im only 14 and never played it, except on an Emulator, but its so fun. Nintendo’s got some issues to deal with.

Kyoo said on Mar. 7, 2010

I wish more people would speak (with actual words) like this guy did. it’s harder to ignore a voice. it’s so easy to ignore written words and books filled with fan art. but the human voice. that’s an amazing power.

Son of Welcome said on Mar. 8, 2010

I told my teacher about EarthBound the past couple of months and the possible reasons why EarthBound won’t be re-released here.

My teacher told me that the fact that almost all of us already played the games is the reason.

Think about it. Nintendo sees that not releasing the games over here hasn’t really costed us anything, especially since we lost nothing since the beggining.

Then there’s also the fact that there are fans among us who are content with the ROMs.

Of course, this is also just speculation. Not one of us really knows if they’ll bring the games over here.

It almost sucks bein’ an “EarthBound” (‘specially if you’re new)

Son of Welcome said on Mar. 8, 2010

I told my teacher about EarthBound the past couple of months and the possible reasons why EarthBound won’t be re-released here.

My teacher told me that the fact that almost all of us already played the games is the reason.

Think about it. Nintendo sees that not releasing the games over here hasn’t really costed us anything, especially since we lost nothing since the beggining.

Then there’s also the fact that there are fans among us who are content with the ROMs.

Of course, this is also just speculation. Not one of us really knows if they’ll bring the games over here.

It almost sucks bein’ an “EarthBound” (‘specially if you’re new)

Anonymous said on Mar. 8, 2010

@Son of Welcome
What?

I’m pretty sure the (core) reason of it not being released is the cause of copyright and legal issues.

I don’t believe it has anything to do with people preferring ROMs over the real thing…
I certainly don’t.

Poe said on Mar. 8, 2010

Son of Welcome – Your teacher doesn’t have a clue what he/she is talking about. Nintendo has ported old games on new systems for years and years and they always make tons of money with each release because the fans lap it up. They ported old NES and SNES games onto the GBA and now the Pokemon games are getting remade. It’s been happening with Final Fantasy too. Face it, fans just can’t get enough of their favorite game, and the game companies know this. Your teacher obviously doesn’t.

doop said on Mar. 9, 2010

I hate to be a downer, but this is just rambling… There is no cohesion. If the goal is indeed to [re]gain Nintendo of America’s attention, we need to leave this type of thing to people who know how to make compelling arguments.

The VC debacle appears to be dead, which doesn’t really make a lot of business sense (low costs, big profits), but c’est la vie. We should all thank god that we can emulate and that there are people devoted enough to translate for us.

Maybe in a few years Nintendo of America will have a change of heart. Maybe eventually we can all pull together again and finish what we started — a full fledged campaign to see more Mother games released in the US. Either way, in my opinion, this type of “rant,” while not counterproductive, isn’t aiding in our struggle at all.

Kyoo said on Mar. 9, 2010

@doop

any voice is better than no voice

Son of Welcome said on Mar. 9, 2010

Poe and Anonymous- I had a feeling someone wouldn’t agree with that statement (mostly due to my poor paraphrasing)

What I’m saying is, my teacher thinks that if the games are released here, they won’t sell very well since a large percent of the people here don’t know about it. The fact that EarthBound had poor sales is most likely another factor (But of course, you would know that)

Personally, I think the ONLY way that the games would see a release here is that:

A. Someone creates a game that has the same charm, soul, and magic as any of the MOTHER games and releases it over here. That way, if the game has good sales, it might convince them that EarthBound is worth it.

B. Nintendo of Japan agrees to make the changes neceesary.

One can only hope!

P.S: Sorry about the double post.

Poe said on Mar. 9, 2010

I understand now. Thanks for clearing it up.

nephiles said on Mar. 16, 2010

I sent the rant to nintendo

Joshua Johnson said on Mar. 23, 2010

lol @ nephiles

PKSTAMAN said on Mar. 25, 2010

Damn… 4:30 AM… Maybe he was exhausted, that may be the reason of the extremely low volume.

PKSTAMAN said on Mar. 25, 2010

I think NoA checks this forum… It’s imposible for us to hide and MOTHER 3 release in America will never happen. There’s no hope at all. And if they release it, (which I repeat, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!) I think they would release like 1 million copies or less. No one gives a crap for this series… We are alone in this war guys… We can’t do anything. The damn music ruined the series with so much stuff that contradicts others, this sounds like this, this sounds like that, blah, blah, blah. Maybe MOTHER 3 would be rated as E+10 because of the scenes like… the dead Hinawa or the animals as mutants, the final battle (which I think is not cause all you do is regenerate and wait. In My opinion, the final battle is VS. Porky) and more stuff. The series wwere ruined even in the beginning. There’s nothing we can do, I repeat. All you can do is sit on a chair and wait, just in case something interisting happens.

PKSTAMAN said on Mar. 25, 2010

@Son of Welcome
I also think it sucks to be a fan of series that were fu**** up since the beginning. It sucks cause no one knows about us or the game or the situation or anything else about this! Don’t be angry about this comment, the Chrono Trigger series fans are also in our situation, but kind of different. They are waiting for a true not sucking sequel.

PKSTARMAN said on Mar. 25, 2010

Why no one does anything?! I don’t care about Nintendo, they just care about stealing our money with New sucking Pokemon Generations or crappy Zelda sequels. They think that a new game is what we need, they think we buy it cause it’s new. It’s really funny that I’m a victim of this as well as you.

Poe said on Mar. 25, 2010

Whoa pkstarman, there was really no reason to post four times in a row. Cram it all into one comment next time, please.

Hunter said on Aug. 30, 2010

Only Foamy the Squirrel can rant.

Ninteness (Ardhamon) said on Jun. 4, 2012

You know, it’s funny. I just realised this after a year and a half of thinking about the Mother 3/ Mother 1 + 2 ramblings by fans and even wondering to myself why Nintendo hasn’t made the decisions they should have. Then I remembered when that Final Fantasy 7 demo appeared on the PS3 and fans were anticipating a remake of FF7 but Square wouldn’t give it to them, but yet they remake or port other games onto the GBA and DS and make sequels to FF7 that tried to expand the story of FF7 but somehow didn’t really feel the same to a lot of fans. I feel like this is the same thing as this Earthbound deal. Rather than release Mother 3, they give us yet another Mario Kart and Smash Bros or Pokemon game but unlike the original FF7 which was given to the FF7 fans and fanboys who still want their remake, Earthbound (and to a lesser extent Mother 1 or Earthbound Zero) wasn’t released on Virtual Console.

What makes it sad is that for Square, when somebody tries to make a fangame or pay tribute to them by making a sequel to something like Chrono Trigger Resurrection or Crimson Echoes Square has to pull a dick move by threatening them with a lawsuit. That makes no sense since a sequel to the Chrono series hasn’t been made since Cross and Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts gets all the sequels and spinoffs. Yet, Nintendo sits idly by and just watches the Mother fans struggle to get the games they want to be playable and released here.

It’s sad honestly how some game devs like to dick around with their fans and consumers like this.

joe the worlds largest nerd STRIKES AGAIN said on Sep. 29, 2012

i would rant about earthbound was not released in the UK or anywhere else exept america and japan. america is like the rich people, always teasing. since the SNES is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY old, maybe they could sell copies for each region online, because thats where most people sell earthbound. and also sell millions of copies for EVERY region, so the prices would be more sane.


 
 

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